Ecotek CB-26P in Zafira

Discussion in 'Zafira' started by Martin, Dec 7, 2003.

  1. Martin

    Martin Guest

    Anyone fitted an Ecotek CB-26P on a Zafira? What were the improvements? /
    problems
     
    Martin, Dec 7, 2003
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  2. Martin

    Gio Guest

    I tried one on our 1.8 and I am just in the process of sending the unit
    back.

    Gio
     
    Gio, Dec 7, 2003
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  3. Martin

    Tony Cains Guest

    General consensus on the Ecotek and other similar "fuel saving
    devices" is that they are basically snake oil. As an industry
    professional with ten years' experience in developing fuel-efficient
    engines, I am deeply sceptical of the claims. I have tested the
    methods their valve claims to use (turbulence, atomisation, etc) and
    have never seen results that could be regarded as significant. And if
    something so cheap and simple could improve economy, emissions and
    power, we'd fit them to every car!

    For more technical details, see
    http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cains1/Fuel_saving.htm

    Tony
     
    Tony Cains, Dec 8, 2003
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  4. Martin

    Martin Guest

    So why is it going back?

     
    Martin, Dec 8, 2003
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  5. Martin

    Gio Guest

    Because I did not find a reduction in fuel consumption during various types
    of driving :)

    While I acknowledge that the ambient temperature was dropping during the
    testing period, I expected the possible gain of up to 10% to offset the
    deterioration. But the saving did not happen and I found a slight
    deterioration. Compared to last years mpg figures the consumption did not
    show any gain.
    Being an auto, the gearbox was out of our control although I did try a few
    fill-ups and driving using the 'sports mode' setting so that the gears
    changed at higher rpm. (but not using a heavier right foot).

    I fitted the unit by replacing the black plastic pipe that runs from the
    rear of the throttle actuator to the purge valve mounted on the rear of the
    air box. I used some standard industrial pneumatic pipe and fitted the
    CB-26P as close to the rubber elbow as I could I found reversing the elbow
    assisted fitting / routing of the replacement pipe. The pneumatic pipe was
    then secured to the large airbox to throttle pipe. Tuning was carried out
    as instructed although I have to say, finding the cut off point was not so
    black and white as the companies online Proton video clip. Having set it,
    revving the engine to 3K rpm then letting it return to idle produced the
    'rasp sound', with is becoming almost silent at 1.5K rpm.

    I was expecting perhaps better results the faster the car went compared to
    our normal consumption because the publicity material indicated to me that
    was the case. Again I did not see a benefit. If it was a manual car then
    perhaps the higher rpm at motorway speeds may have helped the induction
    process through the valve. Ours <3K rpm compared to almost 1K more with a
    manual g/box.

    The company seem to be fair, although once I receive my refund and my bank
    balance receives its much needed boost, I will be able to confirm that.

    Looking back, I must admit that the official tests seem rather strange since
    they were measured over such a small distance and if I recall correctly use
    the cars standard mileometer as a measurement device over limited distances.
    (I know the new car figures are measured over equally small distances)

    Give it a go Martin, perhaps you will find a benefit in mpg, quite a few
    report a benefit.

    I did find a bizarre benefit though and that was with the ability of the car
    to maintain a steady speed. Sounds daft I know, but ever since I had the
    car, maintaining a steady 30 or 40 was difficult due no doubt to the lock up
    of the transmission not happening until 45mph or so. The speed would creep
    up / down a little and you became conscious of it when in a speed camera
    zone. During testing though, the car was different. (Noted by wife who had
    not been told of the modification and she picked up on it again when it
    reverted back to its old fluctuations once I removed the CB-26P).

    Gio
     
    Gio, Dec 10, 2003
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  6. Martin

    Martin Guest

    Gio, Thanks for the detail, I will canvas more opinion as it will be an
    after Christmas purchase if I do go ahead.

    Any body else out there got any comments?

    Martin
     
    Martin, Dec 11, 2003
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