cavalier electrics

Discussion in 'General Motoring' started by Russ, Feb 21, 2004.

  1. Russ

    Russ Guest

    Wonder if anyone has come across this before and can help?........ 1.7
    diesel cavaliier ( isuzzu engine) starts and runs ok but as the revs climb
    to around 3000 rpm the airbag warning light lights up.( as well as this my
    radio facia glows a lot brighter.) I know that normally an airbag warning
    light coming on is a known issue on cavs using the isuzzu engine and means
    that the alternator is overcharging and i replaced the alternator 2 years
    ago for the same thing. I have checked the voltage coming from the battery
    with the car being revved hard and it`s 13.8 volts and doesn`t climb any
    higher. I changed the charging relay in the footwell and still the same.
    Does anyone have any ideas on what can or could be causing this?
     
    Russ, Feb 21, 2004
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    mike Guest

    urm.the 13.8 interests me,
    sure it's not a poor earthing strap?
    or the battery going toward sulphating?

    how 'new' it the battery?
    have you 'borrowed' & tried another?

    mike
     
    mike, Feb 21, 2004
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    Russ Guest

    I cleaned the terminals and checked the wires on alternator this morning,
    (sunday) i managed to open the top of each battery cell and it actually
    looks like the level is slightly low. The battery terminals were clean, as
    in no corrosion as i had them covered with vaseline, but i re cleaned them
    with emery paper again. The battery itself was replaced when i replaced the
    alternator 2 years ago as the old one was "fried"
     
    Russ, Feb 22, 2004
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    Russ Guest

    quick update, the battery is maintainace free and the fluid in the cells
    looks ok ( my mistake )
     
    Russ, Feb 22, 2004
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    Russ Guest

    Yet another update, the 13.8 volts is ok and means that the alternator is
    charging ok and not overcharging. I read a few posts on a forum ...
    http://www.ilexa.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=11;action=display;threadid=337
    and a guy there reported his was charging at 17.25 volts - 17.5 at 3000rpm.
    (which coincides with my reading 2years ago when my alternator packed in)
    i`m getting 13.8 volts at 3000 rpm. The same forum say that ....."Yikes! I
    should think you've been changing a few bulbs as well lately. Anything over
    14.5 on your car is bad news"
     
    Russ, Feb 22, 2004
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    Guest Guest

    17.5V yikes! I saw the result - (burnt altenator. burnt wiring, fried
    battery, acid everywhere) - right mess when a mates car did that.
     
    Guest, Feb 22, 2004
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    Guest Guest

    <snip>
    Sorry about the incomplete reply - hit the wrong key !!!
    I think you need to start checking the gearbox/engine to body earthing
    strap. If that is loose/broken/poor connection it can cause the same
    symptom. There is also a short earthing strap on some alternators -
    check that as well.
    I think (it was 10 years ago!) that was the cause of the failure on my
    mates old Ford Grannie.
     
    Guest, Feb 22, 2004
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    steve Guest

    i have had problems with the regulator intermittantly power surging on these
    alternators, so even if you are getting 13.8 volts as you mention it may
    still be faulty, the charging relay should be replaced with the alternator
    as you rightly did last time.
    if the regulator is playing up you will experience increased brightenss of
    the lamps with engine speed, not totally sure why the airbag light may be
    on, however it may be indicating a fault simply due to extra voltage through
    its system.

    (just an opinion based on previous experience, don't rush out and buy a new
    alternator before having it physically tested)
    steve.
     
    steve, Feb 22, 2004
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    Me2 Guest

    check the engine earth. Check the plug onto the alternator and the next
    one back for signs of corrosion. If all ok you need to check your alternator
    again
     
    Me2, Feb 22, 2004
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    mike Guest

    i don't wish to pour water on this '13.8V is OK' assuption, (mainly because
    things will go bang!)
    no seriously, i would expect a fully charged battery, in good condition,
    with a good continuois earrth around the whole engine to product about
    14.5-14.8v with resonable rens.
    stillsounds low to me.

    check those other earth straps the other gentleman suggests.

    P.S at 2 yrs i would not expect a main free bat to be faulty, but don't
    count that out either.
    try a spare also after doing the straps.

    go from the battery neg terminal with a voltmeter and put the pos lead of it
    around various 'earthed' points of the car
    you should get practically no reading (potential difference).
    if you do,
    there's is your fault

    mike
     
    mike, Feb 22, 2004
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    Russ Guest

    I just about positive that the voltage according to the new alternator guide
    i got when i purchased it stated that the voltage should read between 13.5
    and 14volts. It worried me at the time because even the mechanic who fitted
    it said he "wasn`t sure" about it? After fitting it (2 years ago) everything
    has been ok till recently, but i`ll still check the battery earth straps
    when i find them and will ask about the voltage at the local vauxhall
    garage. ( if they can answser that, as in my experience so far with them
    they won`t offer anything over the phone and want the car in )
     
    Russ, Feb 23, 2004
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    RobO Guest

    Russ
    It seems quite a difficult one to sole at the moment.
    I would try along the lines of "Dave Spam's" posting and check the short
    strap that earths some alternators on the Cavs.
    I had a Cav and it failed on mine - the symptoms started with the radio
    switching itself off and the electric aerial retracting. Then various dash
    warning lights started to glow some brighter/some dimmer and gradually the
    main lights went dimmer.
    I just wonder if the 3000rpm may be significant from an "engine vibration"
    making/breaking a connection point of view?
    Certainly give it a good look, I replaced mine with a battery earthing
    strap - the originals were a multi-strand heavy duty wire which didn't flex
    as well as the flexible mountings on the alternator and over time broke the
    wire/cable.
    Good luck and please keep the group posted, it's an interesting "niggling"
    one!
    Regards
    RobO
     
    RobO, Feb 23, 2004
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    Russ Guest

    Figured it at last................seems the alternator has yet again "packed
    in" and only 2 year old.(it ended up shoving 17.1 volts at the battery
    again....sheesh!) I managed to get a new replacement alternator under the
    warranty, so fitted it last saturday, so fingers crossed and see how long
    THIS one lasts!
     
    Russ, Mar 2, 2004
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    RobO Guest

    Hi Russ
    Many thanks for keeping us all informed. Pleased that you got it fixed and
    I guess it just goes to show that you perhaps shouldn't dismiss the
    simplest, most obvious fixes.
    Good luck & success
    RobO
     
    RobO, Mar 2, 2004
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