Astra Mk 3 1.4 head troubles

Discussion in 'Astra' started by Roger R, Apr 6, 2010.

  1. Roger R

    Roger R Guest

    Mk 3 Astra 1.4 SOHC 14CNZ engine.
    Blown head gasket into coolant.

    With the head removed the point of failure is a small imperfection in the
    head in the circle where the gasket forms a ring around the cylinder. The
    imperfection is a very small nick - only a fraction of a mm wide and just as
    long as the gasket ring is wide -about 3 mm, and fraction of a mm deep.

    Please advise:
    Is head skimming normal practice these days or am I looking at a new head ?

    Thanks.



    The anecdotal tale:
    Problem initially developed with gas getting into coolant system evidenced
    by slight drop in coolant level over 500 or so miles. The cause of the
    trouble was not at that stage known for certain, though suspected. A red
    herring came along in the form of coolant found filling the recesses of the
    gearbox casing, suggesting a leaking hose. Hoses were replaced and clips
    tightened and subsequently checked tight but still the coolant appeared on
    the gearbox. Quite lot of coolant - about a pint - had gone from the
    system, but none could ever be found escaping, and it was really hard to say
    where it was escaping.

    On those occasions removing the coolant header tank cap the pressure was
    found to be very great, much more than expected. Eventually, no matter how
    tight the hose clips, the coolant still escaped somewhere and system
    pressure became ...astronomical. The build up of pressure in the system
    would occur after even the shortest run, not far enough to get the engine up
    to temperature. But the odd thing was the pressure did not go down when
    left overnight.

    There was on occasion, some lumpy running on start up probably due to
    condensate on the plug in the faulty cylinder.

    Checking the oil filler cap - yellow goo indicated water in the oil and
    blown gasket confirmed.

    The action in the defective cylinder: On the power stroke, gas forced
    though the faulty gasket into the coolant system building up the pressure
    significantly. On the induction stroke coolant forced into the cylinder due
    to the excess pressure build up in the header tank. Presumably this
    pressure would eventually build up to something like cylinder pressure and
    one hose or another would blow off or fail, resultant loss of coolant
    causing overheating, bringing the vehicle to a halt - no doubt on the
    motorway, in the dark, in the rain.

    Roger R
     
    Roger R, Apr 6, 2010
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    rp Guest

    It shouldn't do, there is a pressure relief valve in the header tank
    cap. I'd fit a new cap while you are doing the repair, the valves do
    fail.
     
    rp, Apr 7, 2010
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  3. Roger R

    Roger R Guest

    A few photos of the eroded area of the head (No1 cylinder position) can be
    found here:

    http://www.imagebam.com/gallery/b7e01c64a021199e9866147d4619d54c

    Is a head skim the correct solution for this erosion ?

    The part of the piston adjacent to the blow has been cleaned of carbon
    deposits by the coolant being turned to steam - steam cleaned. (the large
    red flake on the pistion is a loose bit of gasket)

    The photos of the block after cleaning are both of No1 cylinder, where there
    appears to be significant erosion of the block. Similar block erosion is
    found around other cylinders. Though the failure was on the head side it
    looks as though gasket failure due to block erosion remains a possibility,
    perhaps the block needs a skim too, but that's not on the agenda.

    With so may cars of this age/model going for scrappage perhaps a replacement
    engine is a more cost effective solution ?

    Roger R
     
    Roger R, Apr 7, 2010
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    Kellerman Guest

    Time for replacement engine, replacement head or a replacement car.
    Looks like a casting flaw or a porous head. Skiming probably won't help
    but you could try and see what it looks like.
    Dave
     
    Kellerman, Apr 11, 2010
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  5. Roger R

    Roger R Guest

    I had the head skimmed and it has come up perfect, with no trace of the
    imperfection. Subsequently refitted the head and am keeping my fingers
    crossed that all will be ok.

    This blown gasket first manifested itself in the summer of 2008 as 'the
    sound of running water' that I described in message:
    http://groups.google.com/groups?as_umsgid=
    It took eighteen months to become serious enough to demand rectification.

    At the time 'me140' correctly diagnosed the trouble.

    Inspection of the affected cylinder (No.1) did not show any untoward
    problems. The piston crown was partly 'steam cleaned' clear of carbon, and
    the inlet valve had a white coating that was also on the plug tip. The
    white coating was soft and easily cleaned off.

    Roger R
     
    Roger R, Apr 13, 2010
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  6. Roger R

    Roger R Guest

    Have fitted a new cap as you suggested.

    The valve in the old cap was stuck exacerbating the pressure caused by the
    gasket blow. I don't know what pressure was reached, but it was sufficient
    to expand the hoses so that all the coolant was pushed from the header tank
    giving the appearance of empty, but when the pressure cap was removed -
    slowly - with great air escape and gushing and gurgling, the level returned
    to the correct level. The (new-ish) hoses are quite strong so it must have
    been some pressure.

    Roger R
     
    Roger R, Apr 13, 2010
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