2.2 (non-direct) Vectra Oil Usage (1Ltr / 2k) - Advice please

Discussion in 'Vectra' started by Mal, Nov 10, 2006.

  1. Mal

    Mal Guest

    I've tried in vain to get my local dealer to look into why my '03
    Vectra is using a litre of oil every 2000 miles. They say they
    can't/won't do anything as Vauxhall say anything better than a litre
    every 1000 miles is acceptable!!

    I've had quite a few Vauxhalls in my time and this is the first where
    I've had to keep oil in the boot never mind topping it up inbetween
    services.

    It's done it since I bought it used with around 10k on the clock ..
    I've been to the local VXL dealership a good few times and been told
    "some engines use more oil", "we'll contact VXL for you", "the full oil
    change at the service might cure it"?! etc.

    Anyone know what might be causing it or what I can do next to get it
    sorted?

    btw there's no blue smoke from the car either when starting from
    cold/warm or if I drop down a gear and accelerate to overtake and no
    sign of leaks either on the engine or patches on the garage floor.

    TIA

    Mal
     
    Mal, Nov 10, 2006
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  2. Mal

    adder1969 Guest

    I'm guessing it's still under warranty? You could get a compression
    check done but sometimes they're not conclusive. The oil *must* be
    going somewhere. If the rings/bores are worn then you can usually
    smell it in the exhaust. Check over the whole engine and transmission
    for oil patches. Apaprently sometimes the crankcase ventilation gets
    bunged up and that causes high oil consumption. A litre every 2000
    probably isn'tenough of a problem to be able to work out why.
     
    adder1969, Nov 10, 2006
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  3. Mal

    Judas Guest

    Hi! I work for a Vauxhall dealership, and this issue of Vauxhall's
    burning 1 litre per 1000 miles is a well known fact, we have had
    vehicles coming in without a drop of oil inside them! We have to
    explain to customers that this is something that is clearly stated in
    the owners manual, of course people only use handbooks for reference
    and I doubt there are many who read it from cover to cover and absorb
    its entire contents. As I have worked within a Vauxhall dealership for
    over ten years now I have been aware of this oil consumption issue for
    a few years now.
    The only way to see if your vehicle is burning more than the average
    amount of oil would to have an oil consumption test, the dipstick is
    tagged and the customer is told to return the vehicle after 500 miles
    for inspection. This oil usage is not engine specific.
     
    Judas, Nov 10, 2006
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  4. Mal

    Mal Guest

    adder1969 wrote:

    +AD4-
    +AD4- Mal wrote:
    +AD4- I've tried in vain to get my local dealer to look into why my
    +AD4- '03 +AD4- Vectra is using a litre of oil every 2000 miles. They
    say
    +AD4- they +AD4- can't/won't do anything as Vauxhall say anything better
    +AD4- than a litre every 1000 miles is acceptable+ACEAIQ-
    +AD4-
    +AD4-
    +AD4- I'm guessing it's still under warranty? You could get a
    compression
    +AD4- check done but sometimes they're not conclusive. The oil must be
    +AD4- going somewhere. If the rings/bores are worn then you can usually
    +AD4- smell it in the exhaust. Check over the whole engine and
    transmission
    +AD4- for oil patches. Apaprently sometimes the crankcase ventilation
    gets
    +AD4- bunged up and that causes high oil consumption. A litre every 2000
    +AD4- probably isn'tenough of a problem to be able to work out why.

    no .. it's not under warranty any more .. ran out in March :( .. but
    even while it was under warranty they still wouldn't even look into why
    it was using up oil .. it's just been in for a service and they said
    they checked the engine over and found no sign of a leak. Guess I'm
    stuck with it until it's time to change .. one thing I know it won't be
    VXL after this :/
     
    Mal, Nov 10, 2006
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  5. Mal

    Mal Guest

    Judas wrote:

    +AD4- Hi+ACE- I work for a Vauxhall dealership, and this issue of
    Vauxhall's
    +AD4- burning 1 litre per 1000 miles is a well known fact, we have had
    +AD4- vehicles coming in without a drop of oil inside them+ACE- We have
    to
    +AD4- explain to customers that this is something that is clearly
    stated in
    +AD4- the owners manual, of course people only use handbooks for
    reference
    +AD4- and I doubt there are many who read it from cover to cover and
    absorb
    +AD4- its entire contents. As I have worked within a Vauxhall
    dealership for
    +AD4- over ten years now I have been aware of this oil consumption
    issue for
    +AD4- a few years now.
    +AD4- The only way to see if your vehicle is burning more than the
    average
    +AD4- amount of oil would to have an oil consumption test, the dipstick
    is
    +AD4- tagged and the customer is told to return the vehicle after 500
    miles
    +AD4- for inspection. This oil usage is not engine specific.

    a litre every 2k isn't average .. this is my 10th VXL and they've all
    been used to do the same sort of journeys and mileage 70-80k+- over 3
    years (GF has my last car 1.8 Astra which has 120k on the clock) and
    none of them have used anything like the amount of oil this one does.

    I did the check with the dealership and the level on the dipstick went
    from full to nothing in 1300 miles (couldn't get back to dealership any
    sooner)

    The litre every 1000 miles is ok reads very much like a get out clause
    to me .. it's not the norm as I've explained above so there must be a
    reason why it's using so much oil compared to the others I've had in
    the past (1.2, 1.6D, 1.6 (x2), 1.4i, 1.7D, 1.7TD, 1.8 16v (x2)) none of
    them used any noticable amount of oil between services.

    All I get from the dealership is +ACI-some engines use more than
    others+ACI- .. I'm sure that's right but not to this degree .. by the
    time it's back in for it's service it'll have already had an oil change
    and be part way through a second and at +AKM-10/litre it was cheaper
    running the Astra getting serviced every 10k than running this one with
    it every 20k.

    I wish I'd stuck with the Astra tbh or at least picked a different car
    ... I know I'll not pick VXL next time.

    --
     
    Mal, Nov 10, 2006
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  6. Mal

    Chris Guest

    I tend to agree - I've run a Mk2 Astra, Mk4 Astra and a Cav - the Cav was on
    225k when the body fell off into a big pile of rust, the engine was still
    going strong being fed on 15/40 mineral oil, non of yer fancy synthetic
    here. None of these used oil such that I needed to keep topping up between
    oil changes. £10 a litre - must be a fully synthetic oil - you must be
    rich.
     
    Chris, Nov 10, 2006
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  7. Mal

    mikeFNB Guest

    other than what has already been said about compression & various other
    tests
    I would quite comprehensively any engine breather pipes, valves, holes or
    whatever in the service data.

    particularly the crankcase one if ness take the angle nozzle off [if fitted]
    and dig every bit of crud out.
    had a veccy on an 01 plate [2.2 ecotec] that was doing a litre over that
    distance and found the crank breather to be half blocked by a large lump of
    crap dug that out and away she went. oil usage was very minimal after that.

    it might well be an idea also to have a check of the idle control valve [if
    fitted] and the pipes feeding to/from this and the one up the front from the
    sump.

    it might well give you some clues.

    how does the emissions look?

    mike
     
    mikeFNB, Nov 10, 2006
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  8. Mal

    J Guest

    I've got a 2.0 DTi 2001 Astra G and it is very thirsty on oil. 1k / 1 ltr
    is average if not a little more. I once got told it was down to the very
    shiny bores in this model (?).

    I just see the engine as a 2-stroke !







     
    J, Nov 11, 2006
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  9. Mal

    Mal Guest

    +AD4- +ACI-Mal+ACI- +ADw-no.spam+AEA-home.com+AD4- wrote in message
    +AD4- +AD4-I've
    +AD4- tried in vain to get my local dealer to look into why my '03
    +AD4- +AD4-Vectra is using a litre of oil every 2000 miles. They say
    they
    +AD4- +AD4-can't/won't do anything as Vauxhall say anything better than
    a
    +AD4- litre +AD4-every 1000 miles is acceptable+ACEAIQ- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-I've had quite a few Vauxhalls in my time and this is the
    first
    +AD4- where +AD4-I've had to keep oil in the boot never mind topping it
    up
    +AD4- inbetween +AD4-services.
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-It's done it since I bought it used with around 10k on the
    clock
    +AD4- .. +AD4-I've been to the local VXL dealership a good few times
    and
    +AD4- been told +AD4AIg-some engines use more oil+ACI-, +ACI-we'll
    contact
    +AD4- VXL for you+ACI-, +ACI-the full oil +AD4-change at the service
    might
    +AD4- cure it+ACI-?+ACE- etc. +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-Anyone know what might be causing it or what I can do next to
    +AD4- get it +AD4-sorted?
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-btw there's no blue smoke from the car either when starting
    from
    +AD4- +AD4-cold/warm or if I drop down a gear and accelerate to overtake
    +AD4- and no +AD4-sign of leaks either on the engine or patches on the
    +AD4- garage floor. +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-TIA
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-Mal

    mikeFNB wrote:

    +AD4- other than what has already been said about compression +ACY-
    various
    +AD4- other tests I would quite comprehensively any engine breather
    pipes,
    +AD4- valves, holes or whatever in the service data.
    +AD4-
    +AD4- particularly the crankcase one if ness take the angle nozzle off
    +AD4- +AFs-if fitted+AF0- and dig every bit of crud out. had a veccy
    on an
    +AD4- 01 plate +AFs-2.2 ecotec+AF0- that was doing a litre over that
    +AD4- distance and found the crank breather to be half blocked by a
    large
    +AD4- lump of crap dug that out and away she went. oil usage was very
    +AD4- minimal after that.
    +AD4-
    +AD4- it might well be an idea also to have a check of the idle control
    +AD4- valve +AFs-if fitted+AF0- and the pipes feeding to/from this and
    the
    +AD4- one up the front from the sump.
    +AD4-
    +AD4- it might well give you some clues.
    +AD4-
    +AD4- how does the emissions look?
    +AD4-
    +AD4- mike
    +AD4-

    the emissions look ok afaik (well within limits when it had it's MOT)
    don't really get any info from the dealer tbh.

    as for checking breather pipes etc. I'm a bit lost under the bonnet
    these days .. prob gonna have to rake around on the net for pics of
    what I'm looking for :)

    the 2.2 01 plate will be the same engine as mine i think? .. don't
    think they changed it until they brought out the 2.2 direct.

    thanks for the advice .. gives me something to work with

    Mal
    --
     
    Mal, Nov 11, 2006
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  10. Mal

    JC Guest

    "Judas" wrote in message
    Sorry for side tracking this thread but as you work in a dealership perhaps
    you could you give me an approx price for a high pressure diesel pump on a
    2005 1.7 CDTi (100PS) Astra, and a price for an injector. The reason I ask
    is someone told me lately that the pumps cost in the region of £2300 and an
    injector £500. This seems like nonsense to me, is it?

    Oil usage, I've had maybe 12-13 new Vauxhalls the past 20 years. None of
    them seemed to use any oil between services except for the last 1.6 16V
    Corsa I owned. From 45K miles onward it used more and more until the point I
    sold it (72K) and it was then going from max-min on dipstick every 500-600
    miles. It was blue smokie when starting.

    My Honda motorcycle (CBR1000RR) has used a litre of oil in 3500 miles, and
    like Vaux are telling you Mr Honda is telling me that this is normal. I'm
    not happy as none of my other bikes have used oil at this rate.

    JC
     
    JC, Nov 11, 2006
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  11. Mal

    airsmoothed Guest

    issues with this engine:-

    1) The oillevel takes ages and ages to settle after using the vehicle,
    so getting an accurate reading is difficult.
    2) There was a problem with incorrrect finish on the cylinder bores
    leading to excessive oil consumption, made worse by incorrect running
    in when new i.e. these engines need a good thrashing from nearly new to
    prevent the high oil consumption.
     
    airsmoothed, Nov 12, 2006
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  12. Mal

    Judas Guest

    JC (Spam Trap) wrote:


    Sorry for side tracking this thread but as you work in a dealership
    perhaps
    you could you give me an approx price for a high pressure diesel pump
    on a
    2005 1.7 CDTi (100PS) Astra, and a price for an injector. The reason I
    ask
    is someone told me lately that the pumps cost in the region of £2300
    and an
    injector £500. This seems like nonsense to me, is it?

    Hello, that wont be a problem, I will converse with you by email if you
    like, rather than take this thread of its course!
    I know in the past diesel injection pumps were big money on the X17DTL
    and the X17DT, Vauxhall offered an exchange unit for these cutting the
    cost dramatically.
    Because the vehicle is current, exchange units will not be available
    for some time, as its an 05 model the manufacturers 3yr warranty will
    still be valid unless its gone over the 60k mark, Vauxhall have an
    excellent goodwill service should this be the case.
     
    Judas, Nov 12, 2006
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  13. Mal

    Tariq Guest

    Are you having problems with the engine? I have the same in a 2004
    Corsa (1.7CDTi Z17DTH) and the engine keeps cutting out. It has
    currently been in the dealers for 6 days while they try and work out
    the fault, which I have the impression is electrical rather than
    mechanical.

    It's already had a replacement fuel injector rail under warranty to try
    and fix the same fault but the cutting out problem is back and they
    don't seem to know why... :|

    Tariq
     
    Tariq, Nov 12, 2006
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  14. Mal

    JC Guest

    "Judas" wrote in message

    Hello, that wont be a problem, I will converse with you by email if you
    like, rather than take this thread of its course!

    emailed

    John
     
    JC, Nov 12, 2006
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  15. Mal

    JC Guest

    "Tariq" wrote in message

    Are you having problems with the engine? I have the same in a 2004
    Corsa (1.7CDTi Z17DTH) and the engine keeps cutting out. It has
    currently been in the dealers for 6 days while they try and work out
    the fault, which I have the impression is electrical rather than
    mechanical.

    It's already had a replacement fuel injector rail under warranty to try
    and fix the same fault but the cutting out problem is back and they
    don't seem to know why... :|

    Tariq

    Hi Tariq

    My car refused to start a few times (Didn't even crank over) but that was
    cured by fitting a new CIM (I think that means column integration module)
    I've had no cutting out problems, the engine sounds a little too harsh for
    my liking but has give no trouble. Hope you get sorted soon.

    John
     
    JC, Nov 12, 2006
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  16. Mal

    Mal Guest

    airsmoothed+AEA-hotmail.com wrote:

    +AD4-
    +AD4- J wrote:
    +AD4- +AD4- I've got a 2.0 DTi 2001 Astra G and it is very thirsty on
    oil.
    +AD4- 1k / 1 ltr +AD4- is average if not a little more. I once got told
    it
    +AD4- was down to the very +AD4- shiny bores in this model (?).
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4- I just see the engine as a 2-stroke +ACE-
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4- +ACI-mikeFNB+ACI- +ADw-mikefnb+AEA-moc.dlrowltn+AD4- wrote
    in
    +AD4- message +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- other than what has already been said about
    compression
    +AD4- +ACY- various other +AD4- +AD4- tests
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- I would quite comprehensively any engine breather
    pipes,
    +AD4- valves, holes or +AD4- +AD4- whatever in the service data.
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- particularly the crankcase one if ness take the angle
    +AD4- nozzle off +AFs-if +AD4- +AD4- fitted+AF0- and dig every bit of
    crud
    +AD4- out. +AD4- +AD4- had a veccy on an 01 plate +AFs-2.2 ecotec+AF0-
    +AD4- that was doing a litre over that +AD4- +AD4- distance and found
    the
    +AD4- crank breather to be half blocked by a large lump +AD4- +AD4- of
    crap
    +AD4- dug that out and away she went. oil usage was very minimal after
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- that. +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- it might well be an idea also to have a check of the
    idle
    +AD4- control valve +AD4- +AD4- +AFs-if fitted+AF0- and the pipes
    feeding
    +AD4- to/from this and the one up the front +AD4- +AD4- from the sump.
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- it might well give you some clues.
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- how does the emissions look?
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- mike
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4- +ACI-Mal+ACI- +ADw-no.spam+AEA-home.com+AD4- wrote in
    +AD4- message +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4APg- I've tried in vain to get my local dealer to look into
    why
    +AD4- my '03 +AD4- +AD4APg- Vectra is using a litre of oil every 2000
    +AD4- miles. They say they +AD4- +AD4APg- can't/won't do anything as
    +AD4- Vauxhall say anything better than a litre +AD4- +AD4APg- every
    1000
    +AD4- miles is acceptable+ACEAIQ- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4APg- I've had
    +AD4- quite a few Vauxhalls in my time and this is the first where +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4APg- I've had to keep oil in the boot never mind topping it up
    +AD4- inbetween +AD4- +AD4APg- services. +AD4- +AD4APg-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- It's done it since I bought it used with around
    10k on
    +AD4- the clock .. +AD4- +AD4APg- I've been to the local VXL
    dealership a
    +AD4- good few times and been told +AD4- +AD4APg- +ACI-some engines use
    +AD4- more oil+ACI-, +ACI-we'll contact VXL for you+ACI-, +ACI-the full
    oil
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- change at the service might cure it+ACI-?+ACE- etc.
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- +AD4- +AD4APg- Anyone know what might be causing
    it or
    +AD4- what I can do next to get it +AD4- +AD4APg- sorted?
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- btw there's no blue smoke from the car either when
    +AD4- starting from +AD4- +AD4APg- cold/warm or if I drop down a gear
    and
    +AD4- accelerate to overtake and no +AD4- +AD4APg- sign of leaks either
    on
    +AD4- the engine or patches on the garage floor. +AD4- +AD4APg-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- TIA
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4APg- Mal
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
    +AD4-
    +AD4- +AD4-From what I recall reading elsewhere there are a number of
    +AD4- related issues with this engine:-
    +AD4-
    +AD4- 1) The oillevel takes ages and ages to settle after using the
    vehicle,
    +AD4- so getting an accurate reading is difficult.
    +AD4- 2) There was a problem with incorrrect finish on the cylinder
    bores
    +AD4- leading to excessive oil consumption, made worse by incorrect
    running
    +AD4- in when new i.e. these engines need a good thrashing from nearly
    new
    +AD4- to prevent the high oil consumption.

    I didn't have the car from new (bought it with about 10k on the clock)
    ... if there's a known problem with the finish on the cylinder bores
    then why doesn't the dealer know? ... and how can I get them to look
    into wether mine is one of the faulty ones and fix it?

    I think I've got the number for VX customer service but I suspect I'll
    get the same +ACI-1ltr / 1000 miles is ok+ACI- routine.

    --
     
    Mal, Nov 12, 2006
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  17. Mal

    airsmoothed Guest

    Maybe your dealer doesn't use Google :-/

    http://www.cavweb-forums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=64760

    http://www.ciao.co.uk/Vauxhall_Zafira_Comfort_2_0_dti__Review_5306631

    http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/oilmonster/

    For starters :-(
     
    airsmoothed, Nov 13, 2006
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