[QUOTE] Bearing in mind most salesmen are compulsive liars ;o) and would tell you anything[/QUOTE] I'm reminded of the old tale about 3 accountants going for a job, were asked a simple question. what is 2+2? The first one said "four" The second one said "between one and eight" the third asked "what do you want the answer to be?" Guess which one got the job :) Mike